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    • What's the better performance car? 2018 Mercedes-AMG GT R vs. 2017 Nissan GT-R Nismo

      The GT-R is a bit long in the tooth at this point. It is still a fantastic performance car but once getting up to the $176,585 asking price of the Nismo Edition one has to stop and ask if the car is worth the money today. When the AMG GT R starts about $20k cheaper defending the Nismo becomes all the more difficult.


      Not to mention the AMG GT R offers better weight distribution, weighs 224 pounds less, and has a newer dual clutch gearbox. Plus there is the more modern and sleeker overall platform. All for less money.

      So what about how they drive? The AMG GT R sounds better, has less lag, more torque, better brakes, better suspension, and just overall has the more responsive motor. The only downside really is that the Nissan GT R offers more traction which all wheel drive gives you but it comes with weight penalties.

      These cars are about performance ultimately. Which one is the better performer? They are not dragsters but the Nismo runs the 1/4 mile in 11.0 @ 126.8 compared to 11.4 @ 127.6 for the GT R. All wheel drive provides the elapsed time benefit but the GT R pulls harder.

      The roadcourse is where they really shine. MotorTrend takes them to Laguna Seca and the AMG GT R crushes the Nismo:


      The argument is made that it is the tires which have the AMG running so quickly but if that is the case, change the tires on the Nismo and prove it. No tire change will make the Nismo lighter or better balanced than the GT R.

      Quite simply, the AMG GT R is the better track car.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: What's the better performance car? 2018 Mercedes-AMG GT R vs. 2017 Nissan GT-R Nismo started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 74 Comments
      1. quattr0's Avatar
        quattr0 -
        Agreed. GT R for me, too. I heard one drove by the other day and almost sh*t my pants lol
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        I drive on the street so I'll stick with the original GTR. And i'll take an Alpha 12 to measure ... LOL
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        First I have to say...can AMG not think of another F-ing moniker other than "GT R", talk about the ultimate complement....

        Secondly, if you are going to pick a road course to compare, why do you choose mazda raceway? Well its because its in the US and in Socal where those Motortrend boneheads are from. Instead you SHOULD choose the gold standard...http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife

        And on the Ring the GT R has not surpassed the older GTR Nismo

        Third: Its about damn time Mercedes made something track-competitive

        The 2009 GTR ran the Ring in 7:26....the closest Mercedes has EVER been previously was the vastly more expensive SLS AMG GT ($200K+) and still fell short by 4 seconds with 7:30....and I think that was in 2012.
      1. Sticky2's Avatar
        Sticky2 -
        I can't take someone discounting Laguna Seca seriously.
      1. leveraged sellout's Avatar
        leveraged sellout -
        If you think Laguna Seca isn't a real track you need your head examined...

        Also, if you "drive on the street" - the AMG is obviously the better choice as it's much nicer inside and comes with more of what you'd expect in a modern car, especially at that price. The GTR is outdated at this point, hands down.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
        If you think Laguna Seca isn't a real track you need your head examined...

        Also, if you "drive on the street" - the AMG is obviously the better choice as it's much nicer inside and comes with more of what you'd expect in a modern car, especially at that price. The GTR is outdated at this point, hands down.
        Exactly this.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        And on the Ring the GT R has not surpassed the older GTR Nismo
        You do know the Mercedes time was tested independently and the Nissan time is a factory time right?

        Explain to me how head to head the AMG GT R crushes it but somehow on the 'Ring on separate days in separate conditions it doesn't?

        Nissan cheats.
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You do know the Mercedes time was tested independently and the Nissan time is a factory time right?

        Explain to me how head to head the AMG GT R crushes it but somehow on the 'Ring on separate days in separate conditions it doesn't?

        Nissan cheats.
        Nissan should stop playing around with boost pressure, they might void the warranty lol
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Laguna seca is great!

        no one said laguna seca wasn't a real track and I never discounted laguna seca, I simply stated why it was most likely chosen for the test, because those magazine tards are from socal.

        You two need to get your butts examined for miata's stuck up in there. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        Laguna seca is great!

        no one said laguna seca wasn't a real track and I never discounted laguna seca, I simply stated why it was most likely chosen for the test, because those magazine tards are from socal.

        You two need to get your butts examined for miata's stuck up in there. Click here to enlarge
        Well you said the Nurburgring is the gold standard.

        Personally, I like independent Laguna Seca times as the Nurburgring is a marketing shootout now.

        Laguna Seca is quite technical and fairly large. It's a great place to compare.
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
        If you think Laguna Seca isn't a real track you need your head examined...

        Also, if you "drive on the street" - the AMG is obviously the better choice as it's much nicer inside and comes with more of what you'd expect in a modern car, especially at that price. The GTR is outdated at this point, hands down.
        Nissan is outdated because it's an 8yr old design

        It's also a Nissan and was never meant to be nicer than a mercedes on the inside. It's not a performance & luxury car, its just a performance car.

        I also think nissan could have cut more weight if it was designed originally to be a 2 person coupe and not a 2+2. So its not exactly a direct competitor since it can seat 4. But they did that because mercedes wasn't even in the picture in 2009 (and for nearly a decade afterward) so they were benchmarking against the 911 Turbo...as well as the fact that the GTRs have been 2+2 historically.

        I am very interested into what the R36 is going to be capable of....
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well you said the Nurburgring is the gold standard.

        Personally, I like independent Laguna Seca times as the Nurburgring is a marketing shootout now.

        Laguna Seca is quite technical and fairly large. It's a great place to compare.
        unfortunately true, Nurburgring HAS become a marketing shootout.....

        no doubt Laguna Seca is great!
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
        If you think Laguna Seca isn't a real track you need your head examined...

        Also, if you "drive on the street" - the AMG is obviously the better choice as it's much nicer inside and comes with more of what you'd expect in a modern car, especially at that price. The GTR is outdated at this point, hands down.
        No, it is not. Advanced Awd offers performance advantages on the street that rwd simply can not touch, especially at these power levels, rain or shine. Do not forget, performance are what these cars are about, with interiors a distant deciding factor....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
        Awd offers performance advantages on the street that rwd simply can not touch
        Only from a stop.
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        Isn't that enough? I mean u do want to beat Teslas right lol

        What about exiting a corner, what about less than ideal surfaces, bumpy - slippery - awd will get you there rwd will have the trac light blinking at speed and if your foolish enough to remove it well...

        No, on the street, awd is a major advantage especially at these power levels....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
        Isn't that enough? I mean u do want to beat Teslas right lol
        Haven't had a problem with them yet in my RWD.
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Haven't had a problem with them yet in my RWD.
        Which model did you beat? Are you front engine-rwd?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
        Which model did you beat? Are you front engine-rwd?
        I'm rear engine RWD and so far Model X P90, Models P everything through 90, and have yet to do a P100 but I'll be ready for it.
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm rear engine RWD and so far Model X P90, Models P everything through 90, and have yet to do a P100 but I'll be ready for it.
        Good for you p90d is quick. Well, we all know the 911 gets excellent traction with the engine over the rear wheels but front engine rwd does not, and this is what we are talking about man!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
        Good for you p90d is quick. Well, we all know the 911 gets excellent traction with the engine over the rear wheels but front engine rwd does not, and this is what we are talking about man!
        You said RWD and I gave you a real life RWD example.

        The point is all wheel drive is basically great off the line and then...? A RWD car is lighter and more efficient.

        I'm quite happy with the 911.